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		<title>By: BibleDude</title>
		<link>http://bibledude.net/2009/08/government-health-care-why-christians-shouldnt-be-surprised/comment-page-1/#comment-3106</link>
		<dc:creator>BibleDude</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 12 Jan 2010 04:39:53 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>These are great questions about the Christian responsibility (or lack thereof) to care for people in our communities. I always appreciate the opportunity for some respectful dialogue in things like this. There are a few things in your statement here that I&#039;d like to try to address...&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;(1) Regarding the church&#039;s task of providing health care in a general sense... I&#039;m not proposing that all Christians must go to med school and do pro bono  work in order to accomplish something like this. But there are two things that I would point you to for precident...&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;First, the early Christian of the first few centruries saw rapid growth in the church partially because they showed the compassion that the rest of society would not. Generally when a plague would come into an area, most people would leave. But it was the Christians who WENT IN to care for these sick people. Eventually this act of compassion would lead to many new followers.&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;Second, even in modern days, the &#039;church&#039; has been involved with health care... often initiated by the Catholic church. I was born in a hospital called St. Josephs. It wasn&#039;t named after a saint because of secular influence, but because of faith based influence.&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;(2) Regarding Scriptures, there may not be much that says &#039;every Christian should also be a doctor&#039;. However, there is much support for the idea that Christians should be concerned about people&#039;s well-being AS JESUS WAS. &lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;You point out that Jesus only cared about the spiritual condition of people, and I have to respectfully disagree with that position. Jesus was concerned about the total person, mind, body and spirit. And there are so many references to this, it would be easier just to say read the Gospels.&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;(3) You refer to Jesus as &#039;the Great Physician&#039;, and I agree with you on that. However, Paul also refers to us (the church) as the Body of Christ. Well, if we (collectively) are His Body, then wouldn&#039;t we be that Great Physician in a sense? Shouldn&#039;t we be looking to do the work that He did? And not just spiritually, but mentally and physically as well?&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;(4) Whatever you did for the least of these....&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;As I&#039;ve said, my position here is not to tell every Christian that they need to be a doctor. But there are lots of ways that the church can use what it has to meet needs in our communities. After all, isn&#039;t that HOW we fulfill the Great Commission.&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;If my position offends you, then I just ask that you really search the Scriptures to find were it states that the Christian position is to NOT help people in their time of need.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>These are great questions about the Christian responsibility (or lack thereof) to care for people in our communities. I always appreciate the opportunity for some respectful dialogue in things like this. There are a few things in your statement here that I&#39;d like to try to address&#8230;</p>
<p>(1) Regarding the church&#39;s task of providing health care in a general sense&#8230; I&#39;m not proposing that all Christians must go to med school and do pro bono  work in order to accomplish something like this. But there are two things that I would point you to for precident&#8230;</p>
<p>First, the early Christian of the first few centruries saw rapid growth in the church partially because they showed the compassion that the rest of society would not. Generally when a plague would come into an area, most people would leave. But it was the Christians who WENT IN to care for these sick people. Eventually this act of compassion would lead to many new followers.</p>
<p>Second, even in modern days, the &#39;church&#39; has been involved with health care&#8230; often initiated by the Catholic church. I was born in a hospital called St. Josephs. It wasn&#39;t named after a saint because of secular influence, but because of faith based influence.</p>
<p>(2) Regarding Scriptures, there may not be much that says &#39;every Christian should also be a doctor&#39;. However, there is much support for the idea that Christians should be concerned about people&#39;s well-being AS JESUS WAS. </p>
<p>You point out that Jesus only cared about the spiritual condition of people, and I have to respectfully disagree with that position. Jesus was concerned about the total person, mind, body and spirit. And there are so many references to this, it would be easier just to say read the Gospels.</p>
<p>(3) You refer to Jesus as &#39;the Great Physician&#39;, and I agree with you on that. However, Paul also refers to us (the church) as the Body of Christ. Well, if we (collectively) are His Body, then wouldn&#39;t we be that Great Physician in a sense? Shouldn&#39;t we be looking to do the work that He did? And not just spiritually, but mentally and physically as well?</p>
<p>(4) Whatever you did for the least of these&#8230;.</p>
<p>As I&#39;ve said, my position here is not to tell every Christian that they need to be a doctor. But there are lots of ways that the church can use what it has to meet needs in our communities. After all, isn&#39;t that HOW we fulfill the Great Commission.</p>
<p>If my position offends you, then I just ask that you really search the Scriptures to find were it states that the Christian position is to NOT help people in their time of need.</p>
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		<title>By: Aaron</title>
		<link>http://bibledude.net/2009/08/government-health-care-why-christians-shouldnt-be-surprised/comment-page-1/#comment-3103</link>
		<dc:creator>Aaron</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 12 Jan 2010 03:12:33 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Where in scripture is the church&#039;s task of providing health care for the sick found? Maybe if all Christians went to med school and became physicians, then we could all do pro bono work and fulfill the work you speak of.&lt;br&gt;The Jesus I know is the great physician who can transform the heart. He is more instested in the spiritual health of a person and our Commission is to proclaim that. Please provide some scripture to back up your claim [Aren’t we (the church) called to take care of the sick?].</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Where in scripture is the church&#39;s task of providing health care for the sick found? Maybe if all Christians went to med school and became physicians, then we could all do pro bono work and fulfill the work you speak of.<br />The Jesus I know is the great physician who can transform the heart. He is more instested in the spiritual health of a person and our Commission is to proclaim that. Please provide some scripture to back up your claim [Aren’t we (the church) called to take care of the sick?].</p>
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		<title>By: BibleDude</title>
		<link>http://bibledude.net/2009/08/government-health-care-why-christians-shouldnt-be-surprised/comment-page-1/#comment-2938</link>
		<dc:creator>BibleDude</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 14 Aug 2009 05:09:52 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I knew that you would see it my way!  ;-)&lt;br&gt;Seriously... I obviously agree. I also appreciate your &#039;ability&#039; change your mind on some things. You rock dude!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I knew that you would see it my way!  <img src='http://bibledude.net/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_wink.gif' alt=';-)' class='wp-smiley' /> <br />Seriously&#8230; I obviously agree. I also appreciate your &#39;ability&#39; change your mind on some things. You rock dude!</p>
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		<title>By: twistedxtian</title>
		<link>http://bibledude.net/2009/08/government-health-care-why-christians-shouldnt-be-surprised/comment-page-1/#comment-2937</link>
		<dc:creator>twistedxtian</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 14 Aug 2009 04:56:57 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I&#039;d like to take back my statement that, &quot;I just don&#039;t think the structure is in place, nor could it be in the foreseeable future.&quot; I think the church could, and should, take care of the sick and needy. rupzip brings up some good points in his post that he links to below, and after some thought on my part, I really think the church could bring back part of what the church once was. &lt;br&gt;I think the church has the ability to care for the sick and needy. I know in the past this was took place in towns that were predominately Christian, but history has shown us that in the past religions of all sorts used to care for the sick and needy. So I don&#039;t think there is any reason why we as Christians, and we as a predominately religious society can&#039;t meet these needs.&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;And yes, we really shouldn&#039;t complain that someone else is doing what we were called to. Instead, we should step up and help. Someone else may be doing our job, but that doesn&#039;t mean we have to, or should, wash our hands of it.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#39;d like to take back my statement that, &#8220;I just don&#39;t think the structure is in place, nor could it be in the foreseeable future.&#8221; I think the church could, and should, take care of the sick and needy. rupzip brings up some good points in his post that he links to below, and after some thought on my part, I really think the church could bring back part of what the church once was. <br />I think the church has the ability to care for the sick and needy. I know in the past this was took place in towns that were predominately Christian, but history has shown us that in the past religions of all sorts used to care for the sick and needy. So I don&#39;t think there is any reason why we as Christians, and we as a predominately religious society can&#39;t meet these needs.</p>
<p>And yes, we really shouldn&#39;t complain that someone else is doing what we were called to. Instead, we should step up and help. Someone else may be doing our job, but that doesn&#39;t mean we have to, or should, wash our hands of it.</p>
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		<title>By: BibleDude</title>
		<link>http://bibledude.net/2009/08/government-health-care-why-christians-shouldnt-be-surprised/comment-page-1/#comment-2939</link>
		<dc:creator>BibleDude</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 14 Aug 2009 04:53:51 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I love the point that you make about how we have big government because we have a little church. BUT... I think that this is only true in the mind of the church itself. I think that we are much bigger than we realize. If we count just the Christians (regular church attending) in America, I&#039;m sure that it would add up to a pretty substantial amount of resources.&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;I think that we (the church) can have much more impact that we are comfortable admitting...&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;Thanks for sharing your link about the little church! I&#039;ll catch up on that one shortly!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I love the point that you make about how we have big government because we have a little church. BUT&#8230; I think that this is only true in the mind of the church itself. I think that we are much bigger than we realize. If we count just the Christians (regular church attending) in America, I&#39;m sure that it would add up to a pretty substantial amount of resources.</p>
<p>I think that we (the church) can have much more impact that we are comfortable admitting&#8230;</p>
<p>Thanks for sharing your link about the little church! I&#39;ll catch up on that one shortly!</p>
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		<title>By: BibleDude</title>
		<link>http://bibledude.net/2009/08/government-health-care-why-christians-shouldnt-be-surprised/comment-page-1/#comment-2936</link>
		<dc:creator>BibleDude</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 14 Aug 2009 04:50:09 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>This whole issue on government-run health care seems to be a volitile one (considering the conversation on FB that I know that you are a part of). I completely understand your issue on the scope of the issue. Currently the needs in healthcare are &#039;too large&#039; for the church to be able to handle....   or is it?&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;On my recent mission trip to Africa, I saw churches picking up all kinds of &#039;duties&#039; that the government failed to do. Things like schools, medical clinics, and other community development and support issues were all handled by the local church. And there the church was very poor, but they did what they had to do.&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;I think that all I am saying here (in this post) is that the church shouldn&#039;t complain about someone else doing something that they were called to do...   that part really saddens me.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>This whole issue on government-run health care seems to be a volitile one (considering the conversation on FB that I know that you are a part of). I completely understand your issue on the scope of the issue. Currently the needs in healthcare are &#39;too large&#39; for the church to be able to handle&#8230;.   or is it?</p>
<p>On my recent mission trip to Africa, I saw churches picking up all kinds of &#39;duties&#39; that the government failed to do. Things like schools, medical clinics, and other community development and support issues were all handled by the local church. And there the church was very poor, but they did what they had to do.</p>
<p>I think that all I am saying here (in this post) is that the church shouldn&#39;t complain about someone else doing something that they were called to do&#8230;   that part really saddens me.</p>
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		<title>By: BibleDude</title>
		<link>http://bibledude.net/2009/08/government-health-care-why-christians-shouldnt-be-surprised/comment-page-1/#comment-2397</link>
		<dc:creator>BibleDude</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 13 Aug 2009 22:09:52 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I knew that you would see it my way!  ;-)&lt;br&gt;Seriously... I obviously agree. I also appreciate your &#039;ability&#039; change your mind on some things. You rock dude!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I knew that you would see it my way!  <img src='http://bibledude.net/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_wink.gif' alt=';-)' class='wp-smiley' /> <br />Seriously&#8230; I obviously agree. I also appreciate your &#39;ability&#39; change your mind on some things. You rock dude!</p>
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		<title>By: twistedxtian</title>
		<link>http://bibledude.net/2009/08/government-health-care-why-christians-shouldnt-be-surprised/comment-page-1/#comment-2396</link>
		<dc:creator>twistedxtian</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 13 Aug 2009 21:56:57 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I&#039;d like to take back my statement that, &quot;I just don&#039;t think the structure is in place, nor could it be in the foreseeable future.&quot; I think the church could, and should, take care of the sick and needy. rupzip brings up some good points in his post that he links to below, and after some thought on my part, I really think the church could bring back part of what the church once was. &lt;br&gt;I think the church has the ability to care for the sick and needy. I know in the past this was took place in towns that were predominately Christian, but history has shown us that in the past religions of all sorts used to care for the sick and needy. So I don&#039;t think there is any reason why we as Christians, and we as a predominately religious society can&#039;t meet these needs.&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;And yes, we really shouldn&#039;t complain that someone else is doing what we were called to. Instead, we should step up and help. Someone else may be doing our job, but that doesn&#039;t mean we have to, or should, wash our hands of it.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#39;d like to take back my statement that, &#8220;I just don&#39;t think the structure is in place, nor could it be in the foreseeable future.&#8221; I think the church could, and should, take care of the sick and needy. rupzip brings up some good points in his post that he links to below, and after some thought on my part, I really think the church could bring back part of what the church once was. <br />I think the church has the ability to care for the sick and needy. I know in the past this was took place in towns that were predominately Christian, but history has shown us that in the past religions of all sorts used to care for the sick and needy. So I don&#39;t think there is any reason why we as Christians, and we as a predominately religious society can&#39;t meet these needs.</p>
<p>And yes, we really shouldn&#39;t complain that someone else is doing what we were called to. Instead, we should step up and help. Someone else may be doing our job, but that doesn&#39;t mean we have to, or should, wash our hands of it.</p>
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		<title>By: BibleDude</title>
		<link>http://bibledude.net/2009/08/government-health-care-why-christians-shouldnt-be-surprised/comment-page-1/#comment-2395</link>
		<dc:creator>BibleDude</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 13 Aug 2009 21:53:51 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I love the point that you make about how we have big government because we have a little church. BUT... I think that this is only true in the mind of the church itself. I think that we are much bigger than we realize. If we count just the Christians (regular church attending) in America, I&#039;m sure that it would add up to a pretty substantial amount of resources.&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;I think that we (the church) can have much more impact that we are comfortable admitting...&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;Thanks for sharing your link about the little church! I&#039;ll catch up on that one shortly!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I love the point that you make about how we have big government because we have a little church. BUT&#8230; I think that this is only true in the mind of the church itself. I think that we are much bigger than we realize. If we count just the Christians (regular church attending) in America, I&#39;m sure that it would add up to a pretty substantial amount of resources.</p>
<p>I think that we (the church) can have much more impact that we are comfortable admitting&#8230;</p>
<p>Thanks for sharing your link about the little church! I&#39;ll catch up on that one shortly!</p>
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		<title>By: BibleDude</title>
		<link>http://bibledude.net/2009/08/government-health-care-why-christians-shouldnt-be-surprised/comment-page-1/#comment-2394</link>
		<dc:creator>BibleDude</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 13 Aug 2009 21:50:09 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>This whole issue on government-run health care seems to be a volitile one (considering the conversation on FB that I know that you are a part of). I completely understand your issue on the scope of the issue. Currently the needs in healthcare are &#039;too large&#039; for the church to be able to handle....   or is it?&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;On my recent mission trip to Africa, I saw churches picking up all kinds of &#039;duties&#039; that the government failed to do. Things like schools, medical clinics, and other community development and support issues were all handled by the local church. And there the church was very poor, but they did what they had to do.&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;I think that all I am saying here (in this post) is that the church shouldn&#039;t complain about someone else doing something that they were called to do...   that part really saddens me.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>This whole issue on government-run health care seems to be a volitile one (considering the conversation on FB that I know that you are a part of). I completely understand your issue on the scope of the issue. Currently the needs in healthcare are &#39;too large&#39; for the church to be able to handle&#8230;.   or is it?</p>
<p>On my recent mission trip to Africa, I saw churches picking up all kinds of &#39;duties&#39; that the government failed to do. Things like schools, medical clinics, and other community development and support issues were all handled by the local church. And there the church was very poor, but they did what they had to do.</p>
<p>I think that all I am saying here (in this post) is that the church shouldn&#39;t complain about someone else doing something that they were called to do&#8230;   that part really saddens me.</p>
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